Fear The Sword

Let the unnecessary outrage... BEGIN!!! But in all seriousness, I meant every word I said.

Did you guys know that Kyrie Irving is a Nets fan?

He’s signing with the Nets after the 2015 season. LeBron 2.0

yup he said his dream was to play with the nets

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Okay then.

I advise you to check out Netsdaily to see what a real basketball site looks like.

Thats also why there are hundreds of comments on every post.

This site isn’t as active as most because the last person who ran it didn’t care about it enough to update it. Since Conrad has been promoted, this site has gotten much more active. And I’d take a medium sized group of intelligent posters over a huge site filled with dumbasses any day of the week.

so you guys are trolling us .and we are one with the unproper site? this a cavs blog! conrad blogs about the cavs and he thinks we are better than the nets and think’s that irving playing better than d will right now .i dont see what youre geting so upset about.and trashing the city of cleveland just because you don’t like it is so classy.yep nets fans are so classy .

get ready for hords of angry nets fan’s to comment. for such an awful team they have a lot of fans on the internet.

They will have a lot of fans until the trade deadline passes. After Orlando passes on Mikhail Prokhorov’s offer of Kris Humphries, 3,000 acres of prime land in Siberia and weekend use of his timeshare in Colorado, I imagine all hope will be lost.

/I don’t know if trading the team’s future for 100 games of Deron Williams was the wisest move.

haha .they are the most delusional fanbase that’s for sure.the idea that orlando is just going to give them howard for there trash is laughable .

mightymosdefinition - January 27, 2012 reply

its kind of like thinking lebron was going to stay right

whens kyrie a free agent again

Superstars want a big market, thats why nobody came to Cleveland and LeBron left..same with Melo in Denver..I know losing your superstar gets you angry but Dwight and Deron is happening

Lopez
Brooks
Okur
2012 first round pick
other first round picks

for

Dwight Howard

No. This is the same problem a lot of Cavs fans have in over-valuing their team’s talent. Lopez is a decent big who just had major surgery on his foot. I don’t think he’s the centerpiece Nets fans make him out to be. Cavs fans approached JJ Hickson the same way; plenty of them thought he was an all-star waiting to be unleashed rather than seeing him as a PF with a double dose of Drew Gooden in him.

Brooks is talented but unproven guy. He’s probably the best asset NJ has. Is Okur’s contract expiring? He’s meh otherwise. Stockpiling picks is all well and fine, but other teams will be offering both picks and better players. I don’t see him going to NJ because someone will give up more.

How is Brook unproven?

You can make an arguement that its unknown how he’ll perform after the surgery, but he has 3 full years of NBA experience averaging 17.4 points per game, 7.6 rebounds, and 1.7 blocks.

NYScratches - January 27, 2012 reply

I was referring to Marshon Brooks.

cuz holding out and expecting lebron to resign was very wise

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

For the flack about LeBron, the Cavs were coming off two straight sixty-win seasons. At least they had their run with the guy. After he left, they blew it up to start again and we’re beginning to see the results.

The Nets, on the other hand, gave up Favors, Harris and two firsts for a guy who wasn’t willing to sign an extension. If he leaves, they won’t have any assets remaining to rebuild with thanks to the deal.

Seriously, what assets do Dallas, New Jersey, LA, or NY have to get Howard? If I was to get the best that each of those team could offer COMBINED, I think I’d get like 1 1/2 solid NBA player’s worth of talent for one of the league’s best.

Savage_Buckeye - January 27, 2012 reply

I cant take any of this seriously, this might be the worst written piece ive ever read in my life

The Cavaliers aren’t a good team stop acting like you are the OKC Thunder or something

And did Kyrie Irving put up 35 and 10 twice so far this season?

who is shooting the higher percentage?

Guess Tyson Chandlers better than Dwight Howard because he is shooting a higher % in your mind

Check the stats

Significant are the per 36 minutes, WS/48 and PER. Deron gets to the line more, dishes more assists and has less turnovers. If Kyrie didn’t turn the ball over through teammates hands because they aren’t ready for his passes twice per game/took care of the ball better on dribble drives he would dominate those categories as well. I think Deron is definitely a better one on one defender, but Kyrie’s defense is better than people realize. When you’re trying to defend the PnR and your partner is Antawn Jamison you’re not going to look good. The argument that Kyrie Irving is better than Deron Williams right now is perfectly valid, and so far this season the Cavs have looked better than the Nets.

It's not even close to valid, unless you are just looking at numbers

And if you want to do that, Manu Ginobli is having a better year than LeBron James by PER.

The real debate isn’t Deron vs Kyrie, it’s MarShon vs Kyrie and who is the better rookie.

Manu played like 5 games…

Exactly

But if you look at PER, he’s better than Lebron.

but D-Will and Irving have played the same amount of games..

Again, too small a sample size

Talk to me at year’s end and we can discuss who had a better year. I think Irving will be an elite PG in a few years, but there is no comparison to Deron right now.

Unless you want to compare their rookie years?

Are you telling me that DWill with the Nets has been the same guy as he was in Utah? He’s shooting under 40 percent. That’s terrible

Great assist #'s, shooting % has been down

And once again (echo echo) too small a sample size at this point.

The shooting has begun to turn around. Turnover rate has been what’s the biggest knock to his game.

You’re ignoring win shares and stats per 36 minutes. It’s not just PER. Just check the stats and watch them play.

Sorry but the sample size is far too small to make any claim like that

I enjoy the debates, but like I said, Deron vs Irving is a laughable debate. It’s MarShon vs Irving which is fun since they are both rookies and while the sample size is still too small to make real conclusions, it’s an interesting discussion.

Cavs fans...

You really need to learn statistics…Its the same as in baseball where a light hitting middle infielder like Marco Scuttero gets on a hot streak and is batting .400 over 10-15 games – that does not make him an All-Star.

NYScratches - January 27, 2012 reply

We’re now comparing the number one pick in the draft to a middle infielder in baseball? Take a look at Kyrie Irving’s rookie #s and compare them to the rookie numbers of Chris Paul

Have you ever taken a statistics class?

Its all about sample size…right now there is a +/- of a very large number. This means that you can’t use Kyrie’s first 15-16 games to project anything about his performance tonight or going forward. Its the very same as the baseball comparison where you can’t assume that Scuttero (in that example) will continue to hit .400 going forward.

NYScratches - January 27, 2012 reply

i think the cavs will be geting a lot of call’s about three team deal’s .becuase andy is better than any of teams bigmen on howard’s list.yes,even better than the la’s twin towers and a lot better than lopez.but the cavs will have to be overwelmed to trade andy.

Anderson is nowhere close to Bynum,Gasol,Lopez at all

How can you even say that? What is he better than those guys at?

okay maybe not the lakers bigs but i think it’s closer than you think .hei rebouding and defence is very good and doesn’t try to do too much on offense.ohter team’s fans dont have any idea how good he is.

Ive watched him in the playoffs and on national tv games, he is a flopper..good at defense okay but has zero reliable post up he is a role player

lopez is the roll player .all he can do is score.

How many centers in the NBA average 20ppg?

he averaged close to 9 rebounds/game his first 2 seasons..no reason to think he can’t improve on his horrid rebounding season last year.

He is FAR from a role player.

but last year all did was score.so one good thing=rollplayer

A center who can give you 20ppg

is not a role player. Reggie Evans is a role player.

my reply was to randy ,he said that andy is a roll player .and i simply think that and is better than lopez.

Melo is a role player then?

Mikepop1027 - January 27, 2012 reply

i think melo is a star not a superstar like knick fan’s think.he cant carry a team like super stars do.

BeanJames I feel like all you watch are the Cavs and just look at stats to make up your mind on a player.

Парни я не видел не чего смешнее этого. Вы сравниваете Ирвига с Дероном? Удачи вам.

RussianNets - January 27, 2012 reply

LoL.

Yeah, Irving is better than Dwill.

and the Cavs are just sooo much better than the Nets..without Brook Lopez.

Ok then.

glad we agree.

Anyway I think Nets blow the Cavs out

Nets are going to be upset about losing to a terrible Cavaliers team last time, and want to blow them out of the water quick. Irving will put up a lot of shots and try to be fancy being in NJ, but I dont see him having a big impact on the game.
Nets 95 to Cavaliers 79

The game is in Cleveland

and it won’t be a blowout but by reading this writeup you would think we were playing Chicago.

The game is in Cleveland

Conrad Kaczmarek - January 27, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Didn't know Cleveland fans were such dicks

Jeffrey Sutton - January 27, 2012 reply

um you guys are on our blog .i dont see how we are the dicks.

mightymosdefinition - January 27, 2012 reply

they had the best player in the nba for a while

there still a residual effect from that

I just want to know how Deron has been better than Kyrie this year? He’s been so inconsistent and inefficient.

Conrad Kaczmarek - January 27, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Deron is still averaging 19 and 9

with a 34 and 11 game last outing. He’s finding his stride this season after a rough start. Brook Lopez, the Nets #2 scoring option, has been out all season so he’s had to play with a bunch of 1-year deals and D-leaguers as the Nets tread water waiting for Dwight Howard.

Williams has had to adjust big time, but to say Irving has been better because he’s shooting a higher %? Come on now. Irving isn’t even averaging 5 assists/game.

Irving is having a nice year no doubt..he isn’t even close to Deron Williams’ level.

Check the stats per 36 minutes, WS/48 and PER.

I agree

Irving’s #‘s compare to Dwill’s so far this season. I jumped the gun on this post trying to defend Deron as the better player but the argument made is a valid one.

Thank you. I’m not invalidating Deron’s career. I’m saying that since he joined the Nets, he has not been the same.

Maybe because last season he was dealing with a wrist that required surgery

I think by the end of the season

(especially if the Nets get Howard) Dwill’s #’s will return to form.

The team is finally showing some cohesiveness so I expect better performances.

There is no talent to pass the ball to in New Jersey besides Brook Lopez and Marshon Brooks.

Obviously the former has not been playing. Anyone who did not expect his numbers to drop on a team without talent is kidding themselves.

Deron has been trapped all year and without another 20 point scorer and low post man its been hard...the Nets are last in points in the paint I think

If Kyrie was on the Nets and he had to face what Deron has faced he wouldn’t be anywhere close to Deron right now.

The Cavs don't have another 20 pt. scorer

Also Samardo Samuels is probably our best player in the post when it comes to offensive moves. Nearly all of our points in the paint come from fast breaks, putbacks (hustle plays) and drives from Kyrie. Are you saying the Cavs are a better team than the Nets, and that’s why Kyrie is comparable to Deron Williams right now?

Nets would be different if they had their low post scorer who avgs 20 a game so take the attention off of Deron..when you lose a guy like that your records not going to be great.

It's the main reason Deron's shooting % is so low right now

he faces doubles all game and is forced to take tough shots more often than he’s ever had to in his career.

i don’t think irving is better than d will right now .i think he might be better down the road but not now.

Irving is a good player likely to become a top PG down the road

but right now, despite Deron’s inconsistent season, the 2 aren’t comparable. I think that’s why so many on the Net board got ticked when they read this write up.

netsking youre post’s are well thought out.the rest of you are trolling. conrad’s piece was well written .i don’t see what you have to complain about are blog.

it wasnt well written it was written directly to Nets fans which is sad, why not write it to cavs fans?

it was the CAVS BLOG .how is that directly to nets fans?

Why dont you read it and see..he wrote it directly to Net fans

Thank u

i read and respect netsdaily .you guys have a great blog .i just dont see why some of you guys have to troll over here.

its not "trolling" I dont even know what that is? Its debating sports..this blog talked about the Nets and I argued with the points that were brought up.

You troll other boards a lot dude.

okay one of youre posters called cav’s fans dicks other’s posted about bron and someone posted in russian .that trolling my friend

They arent my posters? I am here on my own, what ever they post doesnt involve me.

that dude is a Russian fan of the nets.

The Russian one does not speak english.

conrad, hillarious piece. you just trolled all of new jerseys fanbase. nets fans, calm down – your team is worse than you think, even if you land howard.

Also, i am confused by the arguments nets fans have been proposing so far. I have heard that the cavs are talentless and a trash team. I have also heard justifixation for deron williams subpar play blamed on the shitty team the nets have. so which is it? Are the cavs a better team and deron is better? or is kyrie better and the nets a better team?

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Justifixation eh?

posted from my phone. mind actually addressing what i said?

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Sure

You’re comment about us sucking even if we get Howard is foolish.

In regards to Deron/Kryie..both teams are deprived of talent but the Nets are missing their 2nd best player and scoring option.

With Lopez back, the Nets are a better team IMO. Kyrie has played well, he isn’t near the player Deron is.

Your*

i said didnt say that you would still suck i said they would not be as good as nets fans think they will be. i dont think the nets with deron and howard would be title contenders.

kyrie has played better in cleveland than deron has is in new jersey. the way i wrote it made it soun like i meant kyrie was better but thats not how i intended it.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Kyrie has been better than Deron...

…relative to expectations. Swap there stats and I promise you none of you would be calling Deron better than Irving

Have you looked at the numbers this year?

Yes and I dont see how irving's are better

Kyrie Irving, Cle PG 6.4/12.8 .495fg% 2.9/3.6 .820ft% 1.1 3PM 3.2 rebs 4.9 assists 0.7 steals 0.5 blocks 16.8 ppg
Deron Williams, NJ PG 6.4/16.4 .390fg% 4.3/5.2 .839ft% 1.8 3PM 3.7 rebs 8.6 assists 1.1 steals 0.3 blocks 18.9 ppg

The only stats irving has the advantage is fg% and blocks, which really isnt relevant

What about PER? Or win shares? Or offensive efficiency?

All flawed

Just like QB rating

The numbers you gave dont even account for the disparity in minutes played..

True true

But Deron’s stats are better than irving’s. Sure dwill has played more mins but HIS stats are better and thats all I was trying to prove.

compare per 36 minutes and I’m not sure you’ll come to the same conclusion

Waffles are better than French Toast IMO

And how could you say the Nets are a bad team with Deron and Howard?

see new york Knicks

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Melo and Amare are the same player and dont play defense

Eh

Melo/Amare are not on the same level as Dwill/Howard.

but one was acquires through trade, and both handicap the financial flexibility of the knicks. Bad situation. are the nets trying to trade for howard?

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Yes

but ideally would like to sign him this summer.

getting him as FA is prettt good. trading for him is a bad idea

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Carmelo/Stoudemire is a far better tandem than Deron/Howard.

Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire are still going to be in the league in 3 years. Deron Williams… not so much.

ur joking obviously

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

So you don't think Deron Williams is on his last legs?

Wow

he's as old as lebron, are you serious. still a good 4-5 years in.him

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

and amare, the Guy with no knees and one eye, is.more durable. just stop posting

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Because being 27 years old in the NBA means you are on your last legs.

Supreme Logic

Semicorrect is trolling. And he’s doing a pretty solid job at it

see miami heat

i think dwill/howard will be less of title contenders than the heat. who would guard the 2s and 3s?

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

For Miami who guards the 1 and the 5?

jason kidd just won a title as starting point guard.

also chalmers is a respectable defender.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

hello?

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Deron & Dwight < Melo & Amare <<< LBJ, Wade, & Bosh

No.

No, Dwight and Deron would be better than Melo and Amare, it just isnt going to happen, though.

Why wouldnt it happen Conrad?

Why not?

If the Magic don’t trade him, his #1 choice is to play in Brooklyn and we will have the cap space to sign him.

If they DO trade him, we will be able to make a good offer at the deadline.

Stars control their own destiny, as you may know, so if Dwight wants the Nets there’s a good chance it happens.

Now you are just trolling yourself

Please explain how that’s possible.

No.

Kyrie Irving is better, after playing just 16 games, than former all-world point guard Deron Williams has played with New Jersey.

Read what I wrote again. I said hes been better than Deron has been in NJ. That’s all. And the stats back that up.

Is that all you look at are stats? Kyrie hasn't had the impact on a game like Deron had where he took over in OT against Philly which you called a FLUKE

this dude clearly doesnt watch the cavs play.

also, this is a classic argument. “since my guy has been statistically underperforming i will rely on unquantifiable things like impact”

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

deron williams “impact”: 7 – 13

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

I guess you could argue that

I think an argument could be made for both sides.

I think a lot of us read that and freaked out at IRVING >>>> DWILL!?!!

well yeah, but thats because you didnt read what I said.

Conrad, Jason Kidd never shot the ball at a great % did that make Marbury a better player?

dude....stop

No thanks

this doesnt concern you...I dont work for you? I am debating sports on my own? You dont like it fine..dont tell me what do.

You didn't start off on a good note

“Fast forward to today and the Nets are 6-13 and still terrible. This should be oodles of fun.”

Are you arguing that the Nets arent terrible?

I think they've done a decent job treading water

through tons of injuries to key players.

I think the win in Philly without MarShon Brooks was a great win.

I think 6-13 with the schedule that we’ve had to start the year isn’t terrible.

They’re 2 games out of the playoffs and w/ Lopez coming back soon I think they will be a pretty decent team.

But Brook isnt back. As it stands now, they arent good.

Agreed

but, improved since our last meeting.

Nets beat the Sixers the best team Cavs beat were the TWolves

And neither are the Cavs, but in my opinion, theyre better than the Nets

your really gonna say 16 games into his.career that he's better then PG who's been top 3 for years. Wow is all what I gotta say. Nice professionalism btw

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

You literally did not read what I said

Lol

you literally are the least professional sports writer i've ever seen

berber - January 27, 2012 reply

as soon as you said kyrie>Seton. All credibility went out the window, no matter how u try to justify it. lets hope lebron opts out and can save you guys

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

He was referring to THIS SEASON

and the #’s back up his argument.

Although a VERY small sample size.

this, just 16 games but I see what your saying

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

ok the numbers may be better, but who would you take on your team,

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

That wasn't the point he was making though

Considering age and contract? Kyrie. But like I said, this isnt invalidating Deron’s career. It’s saying that Irving is more deserving of an all-star spot right now. It isnt a lifetime achievement award.

How is Kyrie more deserving? He hasnt topped Derons assists and Kyrie hasnt beat one playoff team

Kyrie Irving >Seton Hall

That’s right, I said it.

That’s the point, he is only comparing the games this season, not talking about other years. Pay attention.

K then Manu > Lebron

that's why you don't campare players after 16 games. look at Devin Harris after one amazing year, he completely fell off. just an example of why u don't compare after a couple of games

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Cavs are terrible and the Nets are terrible

Fact.

way to bash, just wait till the cavs lose

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Conrad if Deron goes off tonight on Kyrie, I dont want to hear FLUKE in the postgame thread

Man you acting like the Cavs are a contender

Nets and Cavs are mediocre, but Nets have had way more injuries, Injuries are part of the game but….anyways Nets have a top 5 center coming back in a couple of weeks while the Cavs have the same “great” team for the rest of the year.

Couple of things...

When Deron got to New Jersey, there was an issue with his wrist that negatively impacted his shooting percentage. He had bone fragments and scar tissue in his shooting wrist, which he had surgery for and missed games for. You can’t hypothesize a “Deron Williams Declines in New Jersey” headline without mentioning this.

What I think you are wrong about, without trying to be biased, is your claim that the Nets haven’t improved from the beginning of this year. The team that started the year had no experience playing with one another. Okur was traded 2 days before the first game. Shawne Williams, Sheldon Williams, DeShawn Steveson were brand new to the team (for starters). This team had a huge identity crisis because it was built as an inside-outside team, but is playing without Brook Lopez. Regardless of whether he’s a top center in the NBA, he puts points on the board for us and is a pillar of the offense. The nets that played the cavs didn’t have a clue what they were doing. The Nets HAVE developed an identity since then.

Also, you gotta give credit to the Nets for the win in Philly, where they were 8-1 before the Nets came in — we did it without Marshon and Brook.

Is it that dull over here your blogger has to poke a hornets nest, or is his writing always this biased and ignorant?

SovietBrooklyn - January 27, 2012 reply

lol well last time nets fans came in here first. its not always this anti team we areplaying

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

yeah, it’s just because they got so mad last time. no other team comes here and freaks out

look at what you wrote, your acting like the cavs are light years better then the nets. I'm sure you sit hits will be up though

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

When Fear the Sword sees their site's hit count today

When they see it's all Nets fans

When they realize they can just attack Nets and keep hit count high for advertisers

When Dwill hits the game-winner

When MarShon has a better game than Irving

Holy shit, we better win tonight.

Yeah you better the worst team in the league (the nets) are facing title contendor (cavs) tonight

According to you

I never said that. If you read my stuff regularly, you’ll know I think we are doomed once our schedule gets tougher and the rookies hit the rookie wall

I have never experienced a fan base as stupid as Nets fans.

Knicks

Boom, done.

Kyrie hasnt topped what Deron did last game in any game so far this year.

They’re from New Jersey. I mean, that’s basically the entire argument right there.

Err

Cleveland?

Yup, that’s the city that Cavs play in.

Yes

but you knocked New Jersey. How someone from Cleveland could knock New Jersey is, well, funny.

I think it’s pretty apt. I mean, the rust belt may be economically depressed, but at least we aren’t the laughing stock of the entire nation.

u mad?

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

I’m really just bored, but it’s comforting to know the only comeback you have is the 2010’s equivalent to “talk to the hand.”

anything you can do I can do better. see I'm bored too, but back on topic 94-88 nets

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Rather ridiculous statement

Laughing stock?

far from it. New Jersey is a great place to live.

Again, Jersey Shore is just a TV show.

yeah Cleveland was good enough for lebron, .....oh wait

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

I don’t think that bothers Cavs fans as much as you want it to. Most have moved on. Some(like me) were never upset about him leaving in the first place.

MTV has completely ruined us.

yeah buddy!!!!

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Antawn Jamison has a higher shooting percentage than Deron Williams this year

Jamison is a big man, usually big men have higher %

lol jamison is the anti-big man

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

If you’ve seen Jamison play he just jacks up jump shots. I’m amazed that anyone has a lower shooting percentage than him.

antawn doesn ’t play like a bigman all

SMH

Another mind blowing comment.

How does that blow your mind? it’s literally just a stat

Obviously Jamison > DWill then

No, not at all. Im just saying THATS how inefficient DWill has been scoring

And I'm saying THAT'S how ridiculous and misleading stats can be so early on

SSS

I think the last blog that talked trash about the Nets was Washington's I think.

That team and their fans haven’t been the same since.

strange-brew - January 27, 2012 reply

Except that we’ve already played you this year. And we destroyed you.

no it was Toronto

who manhandled us

no, it was the Raptors

They lost to the Nets and then lost 9 of their next 10 after saying how they would manhandle our joke of a team

SovietBrooklyn - January 27, 2012 reply

wow

so desperate for views and hits on his pitiful blog that he spews trash about other teams when his team has ONE win more than the team he is trashing and the Cavs have yet to beat a quality opponent (no the Knicks arent a quality opponent).

I guess losing all your star players because your city sucks can make you delusional.

WR3 - January 27, 2012 reply

Not as delusional as expecting that Deron Williams will somehow land you Dwight Howard.

It's ok that you don't understand.

It really is.

I understand that when we beat you again tonight and lead the season series 2-0, you’re still going to come around and make hilariously vain attempts to troll us like “lol at least we don’t live in cleveland”, the great irony being, of course, that you root for a team from New Jersey.

What does where someone's team play have to do with ANYTHING?

It has nothing to do with anything. I live in Boston

So why are you debating it?

I never brought it up, that wasnt me

Yawn

a team that will be in Brooklyn.

There’s really nothing to bash about New Jersey btw..one of the wealthiest states in the country where plenty of celebrities reside.

Of course there is jersey shore which I’m sure you will reference soon.

There is actually stuff to do in NJ

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_howard_requests_trade_magic_nets_121011

were moving to brooklyn and are going to get better you guys are not going anywher

njnets05 - January 27, 2012 reply

Total delusions

did I just imagine Dwight saying the.nets are his first choice and wants to play with deron and morrow

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

I think it’s more likely that Deron and Dwight both go to Dallas, but that’s just my opinion.

I think that's 100% an option

But far from “more likely”.

It’s virtually all speculation. That’s just my opinion.

They dont have cap space for both, and if they both become free agents they are signing with their number 1 choice the Nets..

how is The mavs finding a taker for Shawn Marion more likely then the team who actually has the cap space?

SovietBrooklyn - January 27, 2012 reply

Sigh.

I don't think he was really going for massive pageviews

I think he was annoyed at how stupid Nets fans were last time, so he decided to troll for fun and you all flew off the friggin’ handle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8

The depression is getting to these Cleveland fans

NetsKing is only respectable/level-headed nets fan here. im sorry you have to deal with all these other dudes on a nightly basis.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

If only you knew...

Haha shutup

lol you shouldnt talk. when conrad pointed out dwill was shooting lower percentage than antawn you immediately got defensive and said “obviously jamison>dwill then”

you hear only what you want to hear and seem to be incapable of inferring anything reasonable from statistics

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Anyways...

Deron Williams could shoot 20% and has more impact on the game than Jamison old self.

you can see my thoughts above about the unquantifiable impact argument above, which no one has responded to yet

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

It was an illogical response to an illogical post

Finding someone with a better shooting % than Irving through 16 games says nothing at all about that player other than he has a higher shooting %.

yeah and thats the point conrad was making. despite jamisons catch and chuck, inefficient style of play, he has been scoring more efficiently than deron.

conrad was just using that stat to illustrate the fact that deron has been inefficient this season

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Does Jamison have the passing ability of Deron? Your acting like all he can do is shoot?

WHY ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTADING THIS? Deron Williams has been a terribly inefficient scorer this season. That is the only point being made here. Thats it.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Which means what...

That through 16 games, Jamison has been shooting more efficiently than Deron. Yes and this mean…

nothing.

it means a lot because Jamison is so incredibly bad!

first thing you said that's right

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

So you are saying Deron is incredibly bad?

I’m sayin Deron’s scoring has been incredibly bad this season, yes.

Well you guys should be happy that you have Jamison, and not Deron

i hope im getting trolled right now, and that people this stupid dont actually exist

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

relax dude

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

kyrie said it was his.dream to play for the nets!! it's gonna happen lol

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Rec'd

because I am the man.

Unrec'd because I know you, and you are no man

You're right

I am a King amongst men.

Is this the most comments in this sites history?

No, but its a ton for a game preview haha

Players like Howard want to play with Williams,despite his "inefficiency". Does Howard want to play with A.Jamison or even Kyrie Irving?

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats//id/429/jason-kidd
/id/429/jason-kidd" >

Kidd was never an efficient player FG% wise, BUT he’s always been considerd an all time great.

Deron has always been an efficient shooter

he will return to those #’s by the end of the year.

Jamison is in the last season of his contract and he definitely won’t be coming back

Why would he his team sucks.

Well, he wouldn’t come back because the Cavs won’t offer him a contract. If you look at the pieces the Cavs have, their draft pick situation and cap situation over the next 5 years it’s easy to see us building an excellent team sooner rather than later.

Your lucky Clippers were dumb enough to trade Baron Davis for Mo Williams and their first round

RandyOreens has more posts in this Cavs-Nets preview all the Cavs fans did before they played the Knicks , lol.

strange-brew - January 27, 2012 reply

I cant see Nets blog ever posting something like this about the Cavaliers

NI and ND are two classy dudes, were probably gonna get banned just for being here lol

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

so what are you trying to get at

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Wow...

Immature, thoughtless dribble. It is amusing witnessing a writer who lacks the fundamental ability to restrain himself. Your polemic tone coupled with your unprofessional and petulant attacks on the Nets Fan Base warrant condemnation. Moreover, the article lacks a fundamental understanding of how basketball works and lays out arguments that are either unsubstantiated or largely pointless.

Look man, I undertsand you are an angry person. And hey, you have every reason to be. I mean you presumably live in Ohio. That state where industry dried up three decades ago and where population decline has set in. A state with a lack of prestiguous universities both private and public. My sincere condolescnes for having to live in Middle America. On top of this, you guys have to deal with miserable sports teams. The Browns did well this season right?

Then finally you guys catch a break – you are so miserable you get a high pick and draft Lebron James. Unfortunately, despite being a native, he soon realizes that there is nothing glamorous about living in Cleveland and leaves in the most audacious fashion imaginable. That must have been a huge emotional blow for your city.

So I understand where you are coming from. I get your Middle America-Walmart-east-coast envy. Your ire is tangible and it informs your writing and your reasoning. However, I would advise seeking some psychological help before posting further. You really only embarrass yourself as you fumble for new ways to outlet your rage and rationalize your meaningless existence.

In actual basketball news, once Brook Lopez returns the Nets are objectively a better team than the Cavs. Usually I would feel the need to delve into advance metrics and splits, but this conclusion is so obvious to me that it should warrant no further explanation. Furthermore, once the Nets have an inside presence and a second scoring option, I expect the team to settle for far less perimeter threes as the shot clock expires. I would imagine a significant increase in Deron William’s efficiency upon Lopez’s return.

Have a nice day,

Rainy

P.S. NYC is the greatest city in this country

...

haha

I live in Boston

you moved because "Cleveland really sucks".

I moved because of father’s job when I was 2 years old.

Hah

Still doesn’t change the fact that you are a horrendous and petulant writer and a very angry person. Your basketball analysis is similarly laughable.

Thanks for the kind words.

I woulda snapped already if were you. good for you

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

He has no reason to snap because he has every reason to be ashamed of his post. It was filled with unwarranted attacks on a fanbase and ridiculous claims.

he did not attack you guys at all .

I applaud you for even responding, really.

I cant say anything about Cleveland, ive never been there and never plan on going there.

lol at

never plan on going there.

Serious question

why would someone plan on going to Cleveland?

I have family there, it’s a nice city if you like the city but dont want to be overwhelmed by an enormous one like New York or Boston

Well, family reasons is perfectly fine.

I am simply talking about it from a tourism standpoint. Can’t say I know anyone who would pass on NYC for Cleveland.

1)i go to school in chicago and miss cleveland every day.
2)i have stopped responding to lebron / economic insults long ago
3)lopez will obviously help the nets a lot. but they will still be fighting with cleveland for the eight seed at the end of the season unless you trade for howard.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Cleveland isnt going to fight for a playoff spot they havent beat one good team and are at full force

we play in the eastern conference

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

I agree, they will fall off significantly.

And yet you are still noticeably angry about Lebron

I am glad you ignore the fact that Lebron embarrassed your fanbase and Cleveland is one of the worst places on the planet, but these things at least implicitly affect the way you think. Like Mr. Kaczmarek you appear a very angry person. So much so that you have lost the ability to behave rationally or intelligently.

On the plus side your idiocy draws attention to Fear the Sword. So good work?

If you think the idea that Kyrie is outplaying Deron this season is irrational, then I dont know what to tell you.

But he isn’t outplaying Deron. Your entire analysis is predicated on individual stats like per 36 and PER. These measures are fine, but the next logical question for me is whether Kyrie would be able to perform at the same efficiency if he were a member of the NETS. I seriously doubt it – our offense is that inept without Brook Lopez.

Even not discounting for teams, Deron Williams is superior enough in defense (which is largely unaccounted for in PER and per 36) and play making that I have a hard time believing the difference in shooting percentage is enough to justify your claim. Even if it is, you have not made a compelling case as to why we should weigh field goal percentage so heavily. You are operating on a lot of unsubstantiated and unexplained assumptions here. Another mistake as a writer.

But let’s take you at your word. I’ll assume you are correct. What is the point of your statement? The reason you have drawn the ire of Nets Fans is because we place your relatively innocuous point about Kyrie Irving outplaying Deron Williams in the context of your post, which is far more hostile. We assume that you insinuate something more when comparing the two players.

I guess I don’t get the motivation of citing one player outplaying another in a small sample size in and of itself. If you had qualified your statement more precisely…for instance: “Deron Williams is a better player than Kyrie, but thus far in the year Kyrie has been significantly more efficient” that wouldn’t be a problem. Of course that statement would be too balanced for your bias.

Did you read what I said?

Whoa, that was extreme. Okay, there are a few conditions to this statement. This doesn’t mean that Kyrie is better than Deron ever was or that he will even finish the season better than him. But as of right now, the Deron Williams that the Nets got in the trade with the Jazz has been less than what they expected. So much so, that a rookie point guard is outplaying him. Right now, I’d put Kyrie Irving in the All-Star Game over Williams

If that statement is doused in bias as you suggest, then I dont even know what to say.

Yes I did and my point still holds. You never made a definitive statement about Deron’s skill in relation to Kyrie’s. You simply said “that doesn’t mean Kyrie is better”. That is an extremely weak qualify that doesn’t even engage the question of who is or is not better. You leave open the possibility that Irving is a better player, which in the context of your ridiculous post, is a conclusion the reader might expect.

What you should have said is that Deron is a better player, but has obviously been struggling. You could then proceed to claim Irving has been more efficient, which is objectively true.

This aside, you still have not provided sufficient reason for why you weigh FG% so highly. Until you do so I see no reason to believe Irving has outplayed Williams. As the author the burden of proof is ultimately on you. I do enjoy that you have sidestepped this crucial element of my questioning.

Actually that’s just my analysis, Conrads is based on FG% and PER, in which which Kyrie is much better. I was using per 36 minutes statistics because Kyrie plays significantly fewer minutes than Deron. When we are losing by a lot Kyrie gets zero run, when we are winning by a lot (like the Nets game earlier this year) Kyrie also doesn’t get run. Comparing their per game statistics is unfair to both players.

why

Okay, Freud. Lmao who do you think you are? You are on a sports blog using words like polemic and petulant. you must think you are pretty important. You try way too hard; despite your herculean vocabulary and impeccable grammar you still sound ignorant to me.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

You used herculean awkwardly

Even if your use of the word was an attempt at satire, you failed pretty miserably. Oh and this is how I reason and talk – I don’t have to try hard, it just comes to me naturally. It is the byproduct of a strong education and my current enrollment at law school.

Lol is it natural for you to drop the fact that you are in law school at the end of your arguments too? The fact that you felt the need to say that makes my argument more credible.

I could talk about how im on a full ride academic scholarship at a private institution. I could talk about how through my third year of a BS in physics i have a 3.9. i could tell you all of my wonderfil test scores, but im not a douche and i havw nothing to prove to you. Have fun in lawyerland, you beling there.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Lol is it natural for you to drop the fact that you are in law school at the end of your arguments too? The fact that you felt the need to say that makes my argument more credible.

I could talk about how im on a full ride academic scholarship at a private institution. I could talk about how through my third year of a BS in physics i have a 3.9. i could tell you all of my wonderful test scores, but im not a douche and i have nothing to prove to you. Have fun in lawyerland, you belong there.

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Wouldn't an immature, thoughtless dribble be palming the ball?

Just a thought.

The Nets with Brook Lopez look better than this year’s Cleveland team, at least on paper. We’re more concerned with building through the draft and using our massive amount of cap space. Cleveland also isn’t your typical midwestern city. I’ve never been to a Wal-Mart there. We have a diverse and progressive-minded population, one of the best Orchestras in the world, the second most endowed community foundation (1.9 bn) in the country, the best hospital in the world, one of the best art museums in the country, world class restaurants, microbreweries, award winning public transportation & so on… Cleveland has its problems too but it doesn’t make sense to lump us in with the rest of Ohio/the midwest.

cleveland also has burgeoning food scene including the historic west side market

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

Who cares about what Cleveland has? Its not a spot star atheletes want to go and thats a fact.

remember the browns

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

yeah, as you guys have brought up dozens of times, cleveland has learned something about letting a star athlete define your city

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

1. Just because somebody writes something you don’t agree with, that doesn’t make him a bad writer. It’s actually pretty hilarious how much you guys have overreacted to one small comment.
2. I seriously doubt you have never been to Cleveland. I’ve never been to Jersey. I’m not going to talk shit about it. If you’ve never experienced life there, why even comment?
3. I don’t see how it’s obvious at all the Nets are better than the Cavs with Lopez. You think adding a center who gets 6 boards a game helps THAT much? I mean sure he drops 20 a game, but did the Nets even win that much with him and Dwill on the same team last year? And sure, let’s live in an imaginary land where Brooks/Lopez and a couple picks will get you Dwight Howard. Your team just got a lot worse. Two great players isn’t going to help you win anything without at least a couple of legit role players that can drop 12 a game or play lock down D. Meanwhile, the Cavs are building a serious team and get this, our fanbases hopes don’t rely completely on attracting a center who relies on his athleticism and physicality and already has seven years already on his resume.

And yes I understand the Cavs are a terrible team. The thing is, the Nets are a more terrible team.

Kyrie is already thinking about leaving

he wants to go play for da New Yawk niks at duh gahden.

Yeah just ask any Knick fan they’ll tell you. LMAO,

PS. According to many basketball players, well not just basketball players everyone really says “Cleveland really sucks”.

This is laughable.

So much so, that a rookie point guard is outplaying him. Right now, I’d put Kyrie Irving in the All-Star Game over Williams

It was the great Thomas Jefferson who said:

“God Cleveland sucks”

But Cavaliers had a lot of bandwagon fans, Nets fans are very loyal...I remember going to a game in NJ against the Cavs in 09 and there were a lot of Cavs jerseys..now I dont think I see any

man you dont under stand cleveland sports at all .they have a very loyal fanbase in all sports.

debatable. tribe fans were weak this year. before cav got lebron we didnt pay much attention either. browns fans are loyal to the grave though, and browns backers are world wide. good luck finding a giants or jets bar in cleveland

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

No matter where you go around NJ/NY area you will never see a Cleveland game on

try Manny’s on Second

FrenchToast979 - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

lol this is the most attention this blog has gotten in a while

The person who runs this blog can barely get 200 comments without resorting to trashing other teams to attract their fans to his page.. pathetic.

Its working thou. Enjoy your day of fame Cavs cuz nobody gives a shit most days.

WR3 - January 27, 2012 reply

I literally could not care less about page views. I write for Cavs fans and for myself. I gave Nets fans a hard time because they were so easily offended last time…and they took the bait. We still have a small readership because I just took over the site this season, but the people that read it are informed and reasonable

so u were trolling,

KillaHoose - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

I believe that Kyrie has outplayed Deron this year. And that is not a trolling argument to make. The stats are there for it.

Williams: 19 points, 9 assists, 1.1 steal, 4 rebounds

Irving: 17 points, 5 assists, .7 steals, 3 rebounds

Williams has not been as efficient as has been in the past. That is your only argument. Why you baited Nets fans off of that one point, I do not understand. He isn’t playing with talent. He has been adjusting to a role in which he is no longer a pass first point guard and is demanded to shoot more. It is not hard understand why he has had efficiency issues.

Kyrie and Deron’s supporting casts are comparable in that they are both pretty bad save for a few exceptions. Despite the poor talent surrounding Kyrie, he still manages to take smart shots and shoot a high percentage taking them. Being a shoot first guard doesn’t mean you have to just chuck up shots like Deron does at times.

Once again

this is not a role he is used to.

Claiming that Deron’s adjustment is bigger than Kyrie’s adjustment is laughable. The dude is a rookie.

You’re ignoring that Deron plays more than eight more minutes per game. Kyrie gets 8 more minutes per game he crushes Derons numbers, that said I like Byron limiting everyone’s minutes and focusing on building for the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePxbFQ-qfw

Yea..

Like im gonna believe that you took all that time to write such a detailed piece.. only to have the 17 Cavs fans and the 26 converted Heat fan/ ex Cavs fans that are online and might stumble upon this hot steaming pile of hot garbage you wrote?

No.. you wanted attention for your pitiful blog i only ever heard of today… and you baited one of the largest fan bases on the net so that you could generate traffic. Its cool. It worked and was genius of you. It even got ME in here. I applaud you.

WR3 - January 27, 2012 reply

It's too bad the Nets are going to overwhelm the Cavs with their primo lottery talent.

Terrence Williams, Brook Lopez, and Derrick Favors are simply unstoppable :(

Brook isn't unstoppable, but he's pretty talented.

Doesn’t dominate on rebounds, but he’s a top center anyway.

1stnamelastname - January 27, 2012 reply

lol @ the cavs

Why are we even here? Lebron was the reason we started caring again, now that hes gone we shouldnt care anymore.

Conrad Kaczmarek = Dan Gilbert

Why do Nets fans care about LeBron?

I really don’t get Nets’ fans outrage. They’re 6-13, and their self-identified best (or second best) player is out with a foot injury for another month. It’s not exactly some insane logical reach for someone to say that a younger, healthier team that soundly beat the Nets a few weeks ago should beat them again.

You guys are just like the Timberwolves fans, but with a less talented team to watch.